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Jollygood
09-10-2006, 10:19 PM
Ever wondered how much Judges clothing costs. This latest information from Department for Constitutional Affiars sheds some light.

http://www.dca.gov.uk/rights/dca/inforeleased/ir060928.htm

http://www.dca.gov.uk/rights/dca/inforeleased/ir060928.pdf
LB
10-10-2006, 09:11 AM
and one for the conspiracy theorists: http://www.dca.gov.uk/rights/dca/inforeleased/freemasons.pdf
Masked Marauder
10-10-2006, 09:43 AM
Cheap at twice the price!

Notice they don't actually tell you the individual cost and declined to do so saying that it would take over 3.5 days of research at a cost of over £600 to effectively look out a price list. I am in the wrong job.
Jollygood
10-10-2006, 11:01 AM
I suppose if we have a court system then I guess because of formality certain type of clothing is needed.

The benefit can be it distiunguishes the role of job, but in so doing requires rules and regulations of what is expected from that person wearing those clothes. Perhaps the key though is whose expectation is being met?
Jollygood
10-10-2006, 11:02 AM
LB the members listed wasn't that large... given the numbers of people in these parts of the public sector.
oldcodger
10-10-2006, 11:19 AM
Note that there is no assistance of any kind for JPs.

we have a few on our bench who, in order to comply with the dress standards for JPs, had to buy a suit.

And they wonder why ordinary working people are not putting themselves forward for the bench. :(
Masked Marauder
10-10-2006, 11:31 AM
I would love to become a Magistrate, however I am sensible enough to know that the reasons I would love to be one means I probably shouldn't be one...
oldcodger
10-10-2006, 02:35 PM
If you are interested get your application in quick.

Things are changing rapidly and the latest move by the government is the biggest nail in our coffin so far.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,200-2396204.html

It makes interesting reading, not least because Ms Harman seems to be unaware that the public already have a say in who does, or does not become a JP.

http://www.publicappts-vacs.gov.uk/(01c2nh45fjcfsqm1y15ruj55)/search.aspx?nextpage=8 (http://www.publicappts-vacs.gov.uk/%2801c2nh45fjcfsqm1y15ruj55%29/search.aspx?nextpage=8)

In these new courts a judge does ALL the sentencing. The judge also decides ALL points of law and the JPs just hear trials like jurors.
jamesson
10-10-2006, 02:36 PM
Wish I could be a magistrate... :(
Erica
10-10-2006, 03:06 PM
I see there's nothing in there about Atte's frock allowance. :p
oldcodger
10-10-2006, 04:34 PM
Wish I could be a magistrate... :(If we still exist when you retire, you will be able to join us.


There has been a recent change in the law which enables the partners of serving officers to be JPs - provided they don't sit in the same area where the other half works.
atte
10-10-2006, 05:41 PM
Wish I could be a magistrate... :(

You can now it just can't be in the same district you work as a policeman. The rules have changed.
atte
10-10-2006, 05:42 PM
I see there's nothing in there about Atte's frock allowance. :p

You should see how many stockings i ladder on that rough bench................
jamesson
10-10-2006, 05:52 PM
You can now it just can't be in the same district you work as a policeman. The rules have changed.

Really?! Since when? Do you still have to live in the area where you are going to be a Magistrate for twelve months before you apply?
atte
10-10-2006, 06:00 PM
Better wait fot Oc to toddle along and tell me i am mistaken! I am sure i had a letter about this a few months ago. Tbh though i don't tend to study them too hard!!
atte
10-10-2006, 06:41 PM
Just checked the Dca Website and police are still ineligable. I got confused about the fact that you can join if your partners in the Police as long as they are based in a different area. Doh!!!!
Masked Marauder
10-10-2006, 07:29 PM
Shame, I had visions of the police turning up in the middle of the night asking a colleague to sign a search warrant.....
Jollygood
10-10-2006, 08:34 PM
If you are interested get your application in quick.

Things are changing rapidly and the latest move by the government is the biggest nail in our coffin so far.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,200-2396204.html

It makes interesting reading, not least because Ms Harman seems to be unaware that the public already have a say in who does, or does not become a JP.

http://www.publicappts-vacs.gov.uk/(01c2nh45fjcfsqm1y15ruj55)/search.aspx?nextpage=8 (http://www.publicappts-vacs.gov.uk/%2801c2nh45fjcfsqm1y15ruj55%29/search.aspx?nextpage=8)

In these new courts a judge does ALL the sentencing. The judge also decides ALL points of law and the JPs just hear trials like jurors.

The new system appears to be a bit of a beauty contest.

Mind you my experience of seeking to be a magistrates back in the early 90s gave me the distinct impression is was a private club. I didn't come away with any feeling of confidence in the setup. I didn't get to join anyway but then again I didn't get an explanation from them either. So it would certainly be welcome to hear some inspiring news that removes these lasting impressions the system gives out.
oldcodger
10-10-2006, 09:09 PM
I think things are rather better now, with some kind of feedback for those who don't make it.

The commonest reason for failing to appoint someone is that there are too many people in that category already.

Benches try not to exceed 15% of JPs from any category of job or employer. This can cause real problems in towns where there is one major employer.
They also try to avoid more than 15% of the bench being from the same club or organisation.

It is also necessary to get as wide a range of ages as possible, so you could be turned down because they already have enough of your particular age group.
atte
11-10-2006, 12:56 PM
We had 17 new ones this year 16 men 1 woman thats a very poor ratio. Although not the courts fault as 1 woman applied.