Question possesion & supply of class a drugs sentencing

[Sonic]

Just a quick question

What would be a rough average sentence for possesion & supply of class A drugs ?

not sure on quantity, type or value, but possibly tablets

I know its a bit vague, but would like a rough rough idea

Steve

[oldcodger]

Possesion with intent to supply class A carries life imprisonment.

Although the offence is triable either way, ie magistrates court or crown court ,our guidelines are to send to Crown court on the understanding that our maximum of 6 months is not enough.

The only class A supply cases I have ever known to be kept in the magistrates court are where the defendant bought 2 bags of heroin ( or a few E's) and gave one to his girlfriend.

[Sonic]

what if the plea is a guilty one, it wouldnt go to trial then would it ?

would it just go to crown court for sentencing?

[oldcodger]

Guilty plea = no trial and maximum possible discount off sentence.

The bench would consider all the evidence and decide if their powers are sufficient - if not then off to the crown court.

[Sonic]

thanks, I have sent you a pm

[oldcodger]

Have replied to PM


For all other interested parties - its not Sonic in the thick and smelly just someone he knows.

[Sonic]

Thank you OC

[7db]

Good luck, Sonic, and we'll arrange payment for the other k, when you're out of chokey.

[7db]

(just kidding)

[Sonic]

Good luck, Sonic, and we'll arrange payment for the other k, when you're out of chokey.

:D

Just found out, the guilty plea has already been entered, and its the sentencing date next on the 23rd of this month,

Pretty quick considering the arrest was made over the weekend

allegedly 280 extasy tablets found along with substansial amount of cash

[oldcodger]

Are you sure the date is for sentence? Or did he plead to something other than supply of class A?

280 E's would normally mean custody, which means a Pre Sentence Report.
A PSR usually takes a couple of weeks to prepare.

[Sonic]

that is apparently the reports from the local papers, stating that sentencing is on the 23rd

His plea has already been entered as a guilty plea, but to what charge I dont know as I havent seen the paper, the charge afaik is possession & supply, and he is being incredibly frank and very helpful with all the information he is giving to the police, they have his mobile phones and computers too, he has his car back, and was seen driving like a lunatic yet again :rolleyes:

[Sonic]

here is the article from one of the local papers

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/Beanchimp/kearney.jpg

[oldcodger]

Its the last paragraph thats important.

The bench have committed him to the crown court for sentencing as they feel their powers are insufficient. As he was only charged with one offence the JPs would have been limited to 6 months custody - with a third off for the guilty plea giving a max of 4 months.

The crown court judge will be able to pick whatever number he likes :D

[Mickey]

Its the last paragraph thats important.

The crown court judge will be able to pick whatever number he likes :D

Thats great news lets hope the judge gives him the maximum he can, i hate drugs its my biggest fier that my 14 year old daughter gets involved in em!!!!!!!

[Sonic]

Its the last paragraph thats important.

The bench have committed him to the crown court for sentencing as they feel their powers are insufficient. As he was only charged with one offence the JPs would have been limited to 6 months custody - with a third off for the guilty plea giving a max of 4 months.

The crown court judge will be able to pick whatever number he likes :D

just showing the nature of how papers can slightly twist stories tho

He isn't a warehouse man, he is a courier, we dont believe its the first time he has done it, he must have been watched or tipped off for some time now

he also runs his own business which allegedly gives him 3000 a week gross, so as for losing his job and income from his 200 quid a week delivery man is not really that relevant in some respects

one thing about that story that I find amusing, is the term "fruitful" quoted, as the company he works for (implicating his boss, who incidently is going to store all his belongings, car & vans etc) is a fruit & veg wholesalers :D

[oldcodger]

just showing the nature of how papers can slightly twist stories thoI have seen local paper reports where the ONLY thing they got correct was the defendants name.

[Sonic]

Finally

after months and 5 or 6 adjournments and pleading guilty , allegedly so he can testify against his boss who he did the drugs for, he got 2 years custodial sentence today, and apparently his boss walked away free

Result :D

[Mickey]

Nice :tup:

[channa]

Thats great news lets hope the judge gives him the maximum he can, i hate drugs its my biggest fier that my 14 year old daughter gets involved in em!!!!!!!

Anyone caught peddling drugs in my book should be incarcerated and the key thrown away !!!!!.

I too have a daughter at UNI who thankfully to the best of my knowledge has never succumbed to the temptations of peer pressure etc.

She has been offered 'gear' and to be frank it is a good job I am not in the vicinity... If I reacted to my gut instincts I would end up in deep bother.

Perhaps my least politically correct posting to date, but on this particular topic PC is not the agenda.

Channa

[Sonic]

We were hoping for a much longer sentence, and it has been dragging on for months now, and he has been going round everywhere so cocksure of himself, breaking his bail conditions (police not interested etc) that he has now finally got some comeuppance

His barrister costs were reported to have been in the region of 15k

Shame he couldn't have sent some of that money to his children that we are4 raising, they don't know about it yet, not sure if/when to tell them, although the eldest has been saying for some time she wants him in jail for other reasons, at least she has now got her wish

[channa]

We were hoping for a much longer sentence, and it has been dragging on for months now, and he has been going round everywhere so cocksure of himself, breaking his bail conditions (police not interested etc) that he has now finally got some comeuppance

His barrister costs were reported to have been in the region of 15k

Shame he couldn't have sent some of that money to his children that we are4 raising, they don't know about it yet, not sure if/when to tell them, although the eldest has been saying for some time she wants him in jail for other reasons, at least she has now got her wish

Sonic

Unless I have missed a thread somewhere I summise you are involved.? I suspect you are foster parenting assistin his children in some way from your comments ? and this fella may have been involved in more than he has been convicted for albeit in respect an allegation.

Many years ago I spent time as a tutor to youngsters whom most were involved in the drug culture. I have seen at first hand the misery and division it causes and the ease in which young people fall in to a criminal spiral.

I have also been victim of a burglary whilst away on holiday ....the motive of the intruders to fund a habit. ( but thats another story ). My own emotions in realtion of the event and the retribution I seeked are not that healthy ,but the incident particularly distressed my wife.

perhaps a little insight as to why I am so hardline...

Channa

[Sonic]

Channa

I may not have put up all the info, at least not in this thread :)

There are a number of people on here who have met this guy at the odd santa pod meet of old, he is my girlfriends ex husband

and we have pretty much had to put up with a lot of sh*t from him over the last few years (including him trying to run me off the road, and death threats etc) so at least now we are glad he is rightfully where he belongs :D

Luckily he hasn;t bothered with the kids, I mean what would have happened if they were there the weekend he had the drugs and they found them , it is unthinkable the consequences of those actions

[VinnyP!]

It won't be over for him yet, now it will be about the money. They will look at the money. There is an assumption that EVERY penny he has had for the last 6 years has come from drugs. So he will then have to account for it. That means receipts invoices etc etc. What's left is the subject of a benefit order. Then they look at how much the assets (including stuff gifted to others) are worth and they make an order of the benefit amount or (usually) the asset amount to be forfeit whichever is the lesser. This is because the benefit is usually much higher than the assets.
The real kick is that even if they pay the order they will still be chased for the rest of the benefit. So a few years down the line if they get a job a nice car and a few bob in the bank the past will come to haunt them and a new forfeiture order will be on the cards.

[Sonic]

Something new that has come about in the press release

Drugs courier gets two yearsMay 12 2007




by Eryl Crump, Daily Post


A DRUG courier who had 181 ecstasy tablets in a mug at his home was locked up for two years yesterday.

Raymond ************* of Llandudno, had admitted possessing the drugs with intent to supply and appeared at Caernarfon Crown Court for sentence.

Judge Philip Hughes told him: “You will understand that with this kind of offence, involving class A drugs, only a custodial sentence can be justified.”

Police officers had executed a search warrant at ******* home on January 12 this year and discovered the ecstasy tablets.

Ian Evans, prosecuting, said the tablets had a street value of £543.

He said: “****** said he was looking after the tablets for another man who was away on holiday. He would have received a phone call from another man and he would have delivered them to him and received £300 in exchange for the tablets.”


John Wyn Williams, defending, said ******** realised custody was inevitable.


“He is a man of previous good character who has fallen into offending of a very serious nature,” said Mr Williams.


The judge directed that charges of dangerous driving and assault, which were also brought against *******, should lie on file.


******** had earlier denied dangerous driving by injuring a boy of 16 after knocking him off his bike, and assault.


This last statement we had no idea about, only that I reported him last July for attempting to run me off the road, and sending death threats via text

Also it appears the number of tablets has gone down from the original article

We found out also earlier today that he had a right manner of people turning up at his door at all hours, after word got round on the street he was the man to go to if you needed something

2 years is a bit of a lame sentence when the rest is taken into consideration

What does it mean about letting it lie on file ?

Does this mean he may get punished for that once he is released?

[Sonic]

Wazza I didn't think it would matter, as it is in the local papers, and that was a straight copy and paste from the website

[VinnyP!]

Lie on file means that they will not be proceded against without leave of the trial judge in this case. It nearly always means there is enough evidence to prosecute but the CPS decided it wasn't worth a seperate trial seeing as how he was going away for this anyway and it was probably a condition of the guilty plea.

[wazza]

Wazza I didn't think it would matter, as it is in the local papers, and that was a straight copy and paste from the website


It probably does Not matter... but as your previous post back in January was so edited, I thought perhaps it was wise. But Fair enough its in a newspaper and therefore should be free to publish elsewhere.. (PM sent to you)