legality of single part new c/card type licence.

[Swifty oh no]

I hired a car yesterday and when booking the car they asked that I produce both the new credit card style licence as well as the paper section that comes with it.

When I asked why, I was told company policy as some info on the paper that not on the card.

If they are correct and this is the case if asked produce docs at a police station would one be required to produce both parts or is just the card part sufficient?

If both parts are always to be produced for anything, is the card on it's own a legal document or of legal use of any kind on it's own or to be considered proof of anything without the paper section?

Incidentally, when I actually went to pick the car up the didn't even ask for the paper part!

[Meridian]

My understanding is that all legal matters reside with the paper half, and the photo half is just a form of ID. You would presumably need to provide both halves as a result of a Producer, but only so that the photo half showed that you were the person in the paper part.


M

[7db]

You need both parts to produce the licence.

[fatboyjim154]

If you were to attend a Police Station to produce or even at the road side you'd need both, without the paper part it's just a very expensive plastic card with your face and some letters on.

The hire company will want to see the paper part to see if you have endorsements, which may lead to them not hiring the vehicle to you. The fact they didn't ask to see it is a matter for their management to address with an internal memo that most will take no notice of.

[Swifty oh no]

Mmmmm.... so we now have a two part licence that we have to pay for. Of the two parts the part that we effectively have to pay for (the card) is not a driving licence at all but a simple form of photgraphic ID of no legal "value".

So what was the point of doing away with the older pink paper licence at all if that served all of the legal purpose it was required to in one document for which it now appears we require two - efficiency savings perhaps??


Further, one would therefore have to beg the question was the introduction of the card licence just a way of raising revenue or a way of getting a large proportion of the community to carry photo ID cards, or both?

[channa]

It certainly has helped my self in the past, when renting cars to people and concluding finance arrangements on a sale.

Finance companies certainly prefer it to comply with the money laundring part of lending and fraud. In simple terms confirmation that the person is who they say they are.

In the case of renting vehicles, because of the old duplicate licence scam hiding points a lot of the reputable hire companies will as a matter of course contact DVLA. with the hirers permmission and confirm endorsement details.

Whether it was used as part of a clandestine ID scheme, revenue raiser, quite probable.

Channa

[fatboyjim154]

The photocard was introduce to stop many piff takes. People taking multiple driving tests in other peoples names, scams as mentioned by channa.

If you think the photcard part has no "legal value" try producing you licence at a Police station without it.

[MartinHP71]

The photocard was introduce to stop many piff takes. People taking multiple driving tests in other peoples names, scams as mentioned by channa.


Ahhh so the INNOCENT majority being punished due to the actions of the guilty few .. I love our democracy .. ;)

[Masked Marauder]

It is not valid without both parts and both parts MUST have the same serial number on.

We see some dodgy agency driver stuff at work and no paper counterpart or a non-matching counterpart to try to hide endorsements is not that unusual.

[Swifty oh no]

If you think the photcard part has no "legal value" try producing you licence at a Police station without it. Should have clarified better I meant on it's own and in isolation so actually worthless without the paper part.


In simple terms confirmation that the person is who they say they are. That only works as long as it has not been obtained fraudulently in the first place.

Still can't see any benefit to now having to have two documents, as what is currently achieved with two documenst could easily have been sorted with one paper document.

[wazza]

You can not record on the plastic card any endorcements, If technology comes up with it one day it will be stored on the card electronically, meanwhile we have the paper part top record those endorcements on. A Driving licence in the UK consists of 2 parts. the Photo (Easy to carry and quick to produce from your wallet part and the counterpart which has endorcements on. Dont ever consider that the card is just an ID card it is not. Its just part 1 of 2 of your driving licence.

We used to have just a paper licence, but they get easily copied and also destroyed so EEC rules require a plastic one, In the UK we show your points ect on the paper part other countries dont have points or record them elsewhere... So 2 parts it is for us and 2 parts it will remain until technology catches up.

[channa]

I dont think that day is far away Wazza, afterall digital tachocards are storing the data on the chip.

How durable they are proving to be, I wouldnt know.

Channa

[Arryace]

I dont think that day is far away Wazza, afterall digital tachocards are storing the data on the chip.
How durable they are proving to be, I wouldnt know.
invariably unreliable, whilst i have an original one in gwo since they were introduced i know many drivers who have gone through multiple cards and many new cards that arrive faulty.

[channa]

invariably unreliable, whilst i have an original one in gwo since they were introduced i know many drivers who have gone through multiple cards and many new cards that arrive faulty.

Well I must admit mine hasn't been used for a while, and it has occured I get offered a bit of driving work, I am goosed!!!

Channa

[fatboyjim154]

Ahhh so the INNOCENT majority being punished due to the actions of the guilty few .. I love our democracy .. ;)

And to be insync with the EU driver requirements.

Anyway driving is a privilege subject to conditions not a right.

[Microchips]

It is not valid without both parts and both parts MUST have the same serial number on.

Where's the serial number? I can find nothing connecting my photocard to my paper counterpart other than my name and address.

[MartinHP71]

Anyway driving is a privilege subject to conditions not a right.

The same as living in this country which is a privilege subject to THOUSANDS of conditions and is definately not right ! ;)

[fatboyjim154]

Where's the serial number? I can find nothing connecting my photocard to my paper counterpart other than my name and address.


Your driver number will be on both it starts with the first 5 letters of your surname.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_068626.pdf

[fatboyjim154]

The same as living in this country which is a privilege subject to THOUSANDS of conditions and is definately not right ! ;)


You don't have to do either. Best part of living in a free democratic country is that you can choose not to drive or vote or even live here. If you choose to do any you know the conditions and as always conditions can change, but your still given the option to stop doing it.

Do you have an issue with the UK passport having your photo?

[channa]

Do you have an issue with the UK passport having your photo?

lest not forgetting the latest ones are biometric, And why has all this come about ?

Unwanted visitors, fraudulent copies under the old system.and the terrorism threat.

Of course some of the illegals only want to come here because they can see what we have is far better than often the economics and repression in their own homelands...

And yet we moan about our lot.

Channa

[MartinHP71]

but your still given the option to stop doing it.

Do you have an issue with the UK passport having your photo?

No thanks, I fought to make this the Country it has now become so sticking with it, but you know what, it also gives me the right to slag it off, to not agree with lots of what it does and to be as miserable or as happy as I feel like.

Tis not the Picture I have an issue with, tis not the fact that the Licence is in two parts, it is the fact that its another tax we have to pay for. Give me a free ID card and I will carry it, force me to pay for it and I will complain about it.

Do you have issue's with those freedoms ? ;)

[fatboyjim154]

No thanks, I fought to make this the Country it has now become so sticking with it, but you know what, it also gives me the right to slag it off, to not agree with lots of what it does and to be as miserable or as happy as I feel like.

Tis not the Picture I have an issue with, tis not the fact that the Licence is in two parts, it is the fact that its another tax we have to pay for. Give me a free ID card and I will carry it, force me to pay for it and I will complain about it.

Do you have issue's with those freedoms ? ;)

You've always had to pay for a licence, first time you got it, each time you added a group, if you wanted points taken off. Now in addition it is every ten years because people get old (the amount they ask I don't agree with).

Nor did I say or imply you couldn't/shouldn't slag it off, you've paid taxes and served it's your right to gripe about this place.

So why would I have a problem with those freedoms?

It is here to stay, won't be going and I'd love to say the next Gov't, who ever it is, will reduce the cost or give you an option to choose no photo or even an Avatar. The new security measures cost an awful lot to implement and they've got to be paid for.

At the moment you don't have to pay to register a car you buy second hand, makes one wonder if you will in the future.

[channa]

For my money there seems to be lots out of kilt. In lots of areas.

I suspect there always was before I could take and interest and I suspect there always will when i am pushing up daisies.

I think what is important to remember and that is here I can say I don't like the police , I dont like the legal system I dont like the government, I dont like the labour party!!!. or flame grilled Burger Kings, I dont and we dont have to be subversive,we have a freedom of speech which is still denied to a lot of the worlds communities

Perhaps there still is a little bit of Great in Britain.

Btw my remarks re police ,legal system and governors is all an analogy...I dont want anyone knocking on the door and being shot my family hurt etc.

Come on we can even take the pith and not be persecuted...!!!..( dont fancy my chances in China)

Channa

[fatboyjim154]

Btw my remarks re police ,legal system and governors is all an analogy...I dont want anyone knocking on the door and being shot my family hurt etc.

Come on we can even take the pith and not be persecuted...!!!..( dont fancy my chances in China)

Channa


I'd shoot you for dissrespekin' the BK burgers.:gunsmilie:

[MartinHP71]

I don't like the police , I dont like the legal system I dont like the government, I dont like the labour party. I have to be subversive. ...I do want knocking on the door and my family hurt etc.


Hey look what Channa said ... all his own words !!! :nods::happy45::banhim::whiteflags::whiteflags::no ds:

[channa]

Hey look what Channa said ... all his own words !!! :nods::happy45::banhim::whiteflags::whiteflags::no ds:

Selective editing trick lol :azz:...anyway they werent all my own words, Holly helped me to spell and actually raised the point about knocking on doors ,I have seen it proper upsets her....fur stood up on the back full works.

A slight aside but any ideas why she is taking an unhelthy interest in the roadkill thread ???:|:|:metal:

Channa

[MartinHP71]

A slight aside but any ideas why she is taking an unhelthy interest in the roadkill thread ???

Channa

The answer may come when your next driving along, if she suddenly jumps across the cab and causes you to run something down .. she now knows she needs to get in there quick before the Police or Traffic Officer turns up to take away the spoils.

[channa]

The answer may come when your next driving along, if she suddenly jumps across the cab and causes you to run something down .. she now knows she needs to get in there quick before the Police or Traffic Officer turns up to take away the spoils.

Naturally she has a seat belt on our travels, that said slip the belt I defy anyone quicker to recover the quarry:agree: She is 10 in August but still quick as you like :rolleyes:

I have researched the internet far and wide and still cant find a suitable recipe for sauted squirrel !!
ryhme nor reason explains her dislike !! for squirrels other than battle scars.

I personally prefer trout, fried off in a little butter with cider and almonds and a few herbs.
new potatoes sauted in garlic with french beans you could charge for that !!!;).

However my companion is far more interested in squirrel, and it seems not too choosy about cooking it.

Has much as I moaned and raised my eyebrows at the ex Mrs Channa, satisfying the culinary demands of you know who is far more difficult :)

mmm the way she is looking i think she may be posting soon eek

Channa

[scotsrick]

Sauted squirrel ? Isn't it obvious the easiest way to cook roadkill would be to grill it.