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Meridian
03-02-2004, 04:14 PM
Drove a sc00b for the first time today. Never intended to buy this one, it was just to get a look and feel (oh-er missus). It was this one:

http://www.virtual-showroom.co.uk//Images/Vehicles/4670_253.JPG

A standard UK-spec turbo, 55k miles.

The biggest problem was that 'cos it's from an official garage the saleman gave me the route to drive, and it was all A-roads so I didn't get a chance to throw it about much. Amd for reasons I'll get to, it took a bit of getting used to. It normally takes me about 30 miles to get the hang of a different car, but this drive was less than that.

I'm afraid my main feeling was that I must have been expecting too much, because I came away a bit underwhelmed. Yes, the turbo kick is great - but only when it first comes in at about 2500rpm. Almost immediately after that performance becomes linear and there is far less appearance of power. I suspect that I'd probably need to stir the gearbox a bit more to really get the best out of it. My own car is certainly so supercar, but it is 145bhp so the leap is probably less than for many first-time sc00b owners. My car is slow at first, then starts to build up after you pass 4000rpm. By the time to you hit 6000rpm it is flying, and you are running a serious danger of hitting the rev-limitter by accident. With this sc00b I got the opposite: press the throttle and get a big push; keep pushing and all the fun sort of goes out of it and I was left worrying about whether I should go further (max I hit was 6000rpm).

I also had some problems with the clutch which was set at the highest possible point, compared to my car where the bite is about 25% up from the floor. I can see it would speed up gear changes, but I never really got used to it. Is the bite on sc00bs normally very high? The throttle spring was strong, but I guess that makes sense given what would happen if you accidentally blipped the throttle going over a speed bump! And it was quiter than I expected - actually quieter than my car.

This particular car was a definite no-deal though. The previous owner had clearly not looked after it, and the sales staff hadn't done much to disguise the fact. All the seats were grubby and there were massive stains inside the boot on the carpet. It looked like the previous owner was a builder and used it for work to ferry his mates to and from the site. Mileage was higher than I'd like and the previous owner had fitted a MiniDisc player - yuck. The rear tyres were barely legal (I had to get the saleman to officially tell me there WERE legal before I'd drive it) and the fronts little better. The alloys had also been curbed on a number of occasions, and one was quite badly corroded. Even if they knocked a grand off the price I wouldn't buy it.

And I see what people mean about the tacky insides - at least on this one. I'd not seen a classic before, only a bug-eye, and it was worse designed inside than my car, which is three years older and was cheaper when new. But it hasn't put me off sc00bs, and I'll keep looking. What it does seem to have done is taken the edge off the "must buy car now" thing I was going through.


M

Burratha
03-02-2004, 04:37 PM
You have seen a classic mate..... MINE..... although it was dark :D

Sorry you had a bad experience, but don't be disheartened.... try a PPP (prodrived UK scoob) or a WRX import?

Meridian
03-02-2004, 06:50 PM
Most cars look good inside when it's dark! As I said - still looking. And not so much a bad experience, but a let-down after what was probably too much anticipation.

Now if Sonic will stop fishing and say what he wants for his.....

M

Turbo_Steve
03-02-2004, 07:39 PM
Bugger that: UK Standards are dull.

Standard Scoobs really aren't all that, mate. They drive okay, and the power all comes in at the bottom end. You'd do better to go out in a slightly older, modified WRX or something of similar value. Or go out in Chrome's car.

A classic with a ScoobyECU on it, exhaust & airfilter will take your breath away in comparison to the UK standard.

There isn't much power to be had by revving it hard, though, on any of the scoobs: that's not really what turbo's are all about.
If you want rev-mad-fun you should be looking at an Accord Type-R or a Prelude 2.2 Vtec. Mental.

ChRoMe
03-02-2004, 08:21 PM
yup.
bear in mind that the the car you drove- almost certainly had an 802 ECU (rich as feck, therefore underpowered) , had the bog standard zorst and standard brakes/suspension..

yup. they are a bit poo as standard.. otherwise why do you think we all got to such trouble of modding our cars to make em really really good? :D :D

mine was standard for approximately 1hr.
ECU was swapped for punchier 801, and decatted within a week! :D

ChRoMe
03-02-2004, 08:22 PM
go jap if you can stomach the insurance ...
I would.

then I'd mod the crap out of it anyway!!!! LOL

chrisj1260
03-02-2004, 09:00 PM
jap ..... jap..... got to be uk std ones ar dullllllll....chris

Burratha
03-02-2004, 09:02 PM
Mine isn't :evil: :baa:

chrisj1260
03-02-2004, 09:06 PM
doh... we are talking about std .... you sleeping ....... chris ... lmao.....

Burratha
03-02-2004, 09:06 PM
I know what you mean ;)

I bought you some ear defenders btw :woot: :slap: :dj:

ChRoMe
03-02-2004, 09:08 PM
how about the man nappies for when his new turbo goes on? ? :D :D :P

Meridian
03-02-2004, 10:59 PM
My current insurers do imports, but they have to go and talk to the underwriters before they will quote - and I'm still waiting. If they are too stupid then I may well go the mod route. Or change insurers.

I saw this one:

http://www.aisimports.co.uk/images/stock/ais62asm.jpg at this place:

http://www.aisimports.co.uk/index.php - it's number 62, but number 55 looks OK. Don't worry Chris, I'm not deserting you - but your site is kinda meagre at the moment....

I used it as an example for my insurers to see what they say, but they've not got back to me yet. If they get silly I'll try LV and Adrian Flux who seem to be the faves. Otherwise yes, I'll be modding whatever I buy just as soon as I can afford to.


As for the revving thing, or more just a question of getting used to it: I've had my car for four years and it took two of them to get the hang of holding off changing up until I was about to redline it. When I was learning my instructor was always shouting "change up!" at me, and the cars I've otherwise driven all have peak power at about 3000rpm. I simply didn't drive the sc00b long enough to learn the new technique - or unlearn my current method.

M

Danbo
03-02-2004, 11:08 PM
I have to suggest Elephant too........

the quote they have given me is superb on a modded import. Im 27 and i have a final quote of 1027 for a 180bhp modded in most ways import.

They are very helpful and were happy to explain what mods and what didnt affect the premium.

Meridian
03-02-2004, 11:18 PM
I tried their on-line system and it gave me a very silly answer. Not tried a human being there yet though.

M

Burratha
03-02-2004, 11:24 PM
lol.... why not just go for the jugular, M ;) That's an STi there (I think) ....... cool.

Go for Liverpool Victoria, mate. They saved me £400 on my annual policy.

Danbo
04-02-2004, 12:18 AM
The elephant online sytem will not even consider mods......

Speak to them in person and they are very helpful. Well they were for me!!

Lambo
04-02-2004, 06:48 PM
Ive just got a wrx and it go's like a train, start's pulling at 2500rpm and doesn't stop till you hit the rev limiter,goes round corners like its on rail's.The only bad thing's i can say about it is the fuel tank is allways empty and it dont stop very good at all! :x

insurance £540 norwich union "quote me happy" cool.

Turbo_Steve
05-02-2004, 12:29 PM
You'll find the boost decreases at higher revs, Lambo. The ECU backs it off slightly. I hope you're running your WRX on Optimax :D

Lambo
05-02-2004, 12:49 PM
Well if thats backing off a bit let it carry on. Yes boss optimax only lol :D

Sonic
05-02-2004, 12:55 PM
802 ECU's back off the boost almost fully at 5krpm, so although the car will still rev upto 7k, it basically wont go anywhere

an 801 or 800 ECU pulls all the way round to 7k rpm, and does not drop any boost at all
(witnessed by my boost gauge & delta dash readings :))

I drove my mates std scoob, and was amazed at how slow it actually was :)

Meridian
05-02-2004, 05:16 PM
Exactly the point I was making. So a new ECU and suitable tweaks would make a lot of difference then? I just did not like the way the power seemed to slowly fade off as the revs climbed.

M