View Full Version : HOW TO GET SPEED CAMERAS INSTALLED
URABUS AZERPMI
12-03-2003, 08:07 PM
I live on a very busy road and most cars speed, its a 30 and some cars/bikes do well over 70 up and down it.
I have tried the county council and MP to try for some form of traffic calming with no luck as nobody has been killed and ther are not enough accidents.
Is there a stance the police could adopted to get speed cameras installed?
Thanks
Sonic
12-03-2003, 09:22 PM
I have exactly the same problem outside my house too, the bikes are by far the worst
and most ppl drive down the middle of the road too
cthomas01
12-03-2003, 11:16 PM
Put up your own fake speed camera in your garden - I don't think it is illegal. May slow a few people down.
URABUS AZERPMI
13-03-2003, 09:07 AM
I thought about putting up a dummy but I live about 30 meters from the road.
Funkster
13-03-2003, 02:51 PM
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Anonymous
13-03-2003, 06:36 PM
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Thats pathetic removing a post because some one dared. To say some one wanting a scamtax cam out side there house, so that there less noice is anal and pathetic.
and I bet there nabours would love to death too.
Danbo
13-03-2003, 06:53 PM
Outlaw.the point is not the noise.........but the dangerous speeds that the cars are doing.......
Some people....such as yourself might not have children who play outside....
those who do would probably rather have cars doing 30mph rather than 60.......and a speed camera would help slow things down.
The logistics of having a speed camera installed outside your house may not be possible...........but i cant see anything wrong with the question being asked to us......
There are other traffic calming measures that could be in place to help the situation.
Purely to post that someone is being anal because they are concerned for safty is a very narrow minded view........why not try and post a constructive comment and keep the debate going rather than just insult someone....
just a thought.....
Commander
13-03-2003, 07:04 PM
As much as I disagree with 95% of speed cameras, there are places where they actually serve a purpose :o - this sounds like one of them.
Funkster
13-03-2003, 07:24 PM
Last time I get involved...
If you've tried the County and the MP - how about the Borough/City and your local Councillors? :?
Borough Council's usually have part of the responsibility for highways as well - and Councillors are always looking for votes ;-) Write to Traffic Management or just Traffic (usually part of Engineers), for example, we keep a GIS based database where we store all "complaints" which then go to the Council Committees occassionally to "fight for funding" - means everyone's voice gets heard, I'm sure your Borough/City Council has the same idea....you can usually find all the contacts you need on the web.
....should say the Constab's have the last say on these ones - but the Council's can help in other ways :)
Turbo_Steve
13-03-2003, 08:13 PM
From what I gather a speed camera decision depends a lot on traffic volume vs revenue generation vs cost of installation.
However:
If you and several people in your street get together then you can certainly have speed humps (those half width paired ones that don't need planning permission) installed. You just need a pressure group. This is I believe the tried and tested method.
Also, if you REALLY want them, get your local school on board. You only need about 20 young mummies with 4x4's to complain and your road will be ruined within months: As per a road near me where the residents are campaining madly NOT to get speed humps, against the wishes of the school runners who are there for 30mins a day, and worried about their kids being run over. Several accidents....all by school runners hitting each other whilst illegally parked etc!!!!!
Residents are campaining for a traffic warden / police visit during drop off/pick up times.
But the speed humps will win. When will common sense prevail???? :bang:
I just re-read this.....sorry if it sounds a bit cynical.......
I am getting really p!ssed off with all the so called traffic calming measures that people introduce. It increases wear and tear on the car, increases polution and does not always solve speeding problems.
If you have a road that is 30mph and people are speeding well in excess of that then by all means go for a camera. But there are too many people that want cameras in 50 zones to catch people at 60. Like 10 mph is going to make that much difference with modern cars.
And people who complain about kids getting hit when playing in the road. ITS A F*CKING ROAD FOR VEHICLES. NOT FOR KIDS TO PLAY IN. When will people get it through their thick skulls that kids are meant to play in the garden, park. We have had kids play in our road and cars etc have had to brake harshly because kids have been playing football or tennis FFS in the road. The joke is we have 3 parks within 15 mins walking or quicker on a bike. Before we get the bleeding hearts crew moaning that the cars shouldn't be going fast enough to brake harshly, the drivers shouldn't have to worry about kids playing tennis in the road. The average speed down our road is 30, most do that. The drivers shouldn't have to limit themselves to 10mph incase there is some pratt in the road plaing keepy uppie. :x :x :x
I think I have had a rant and covered the topic Q aswell.
From what I gather a speed camera decision depends a lot on traffic volume vs revenue generation vs cost of installation.
...er..no..there's a strict set of guidlines for putting in speed cameras, discussed somewhere in here - it goes with the amount of Personal Injury Accidents in Fatal, serious and slight categories - can't remember the exact figures, but I can find out tomorrow if needed.
Re: Speed Cushions, they're also stricly regulated lol @ not needing planning permission, they only need about 1,000 reports/fesibillity studies - some stuff also needs permission from the secretary of state! :o :) ...they are *always* open to public consultation as well, so if you don't like them then oyu can formally object - and before you say it, yes, it does make a difference.
Re: Schools, there's alot of work being done atm in the guise of "School Travel Plans", aiming to get kids out of cars and onto Walking Buses/Bikes etc. Obviously the first step for this is creating a safe environment....hense traffic calming/cycle lanes/speed cameras.
Oh, and you might not like traffic calming, today was an average thurs for me - 3 calls asking for traffic calming/waiting restrictions - and I have another 2 letters in my in tray re: traffic calming...and you say people don't like it?!
Oh- one more...I must really go Angel's on! ...speedhumps don't cause significant extra pollution if designed properly...and yes, I have evidence :) If you want one that causes polltion = traffic lights. And you don't get many complaints about them...
More info on speed humps here: http://www.5ive-o.com/web/viewtopic.php?t=84
Danbo
13-03-2003, 11:47 PM
Thanks for the input Jen. :)
No prob :D
Flame suit is all zipped up and I'm ready to defend ;-) :D
Turbo_Steve
14-03-2003, 11:18 AM
No flames for you m8. A lot of very useful information there.
Still doesn't "seem" to apply to the road in question where the residents opinion appears to count for nothing etc etc etc, but as you say a school seems to be involved, so who knows?
The road IS a bit of a race track, but funnily the only accidents there are at school times. Go figure.
Sorry if I went off one one a bit. But I AM very cynical about who "road furniture' is elected to be put in. You will have to drive around Reading, and you'll see what I mean: some of it makes a lot of sense....some of it is purely designed to cause accidents.
Dracoro
14-03-2003, 12:08 PM
Sometimes all it needs is a bit of policing and education. People may slow down on that road if the Police have a 'session' on the road in question.
It'd be a lot cheaper than road calming measures or gatso's. If it doesn't work then think about tougher measures.
G-Rich
14-03-2003, 12:35 PM
I have to admit, I agree with Sith - the road is afterall for cars and bikes. Kids should not play in it, nor should drivers speed on it. Unfortunatly as it stands these two facts are true.
I recall in my youth one of my friends went to retrieve a ball that bounced into a busy road and got hit, he survived (all be it with a smashed face) and everyone campaigned for the road to be made safer - case in point - he should not have been messing with a busy road! I'm sure the driver has been distraught by what happened, it was not his/her fault.
I deplore speed humps, they make my life a misery, I always drive on the speed limit in 30 zones, but with the MR2, I have little ground clearance and **** everyone off by crawling over them at 5 mph.
What are the other alternatives to keep peoples speed down? It appears to me a camera is the only option, a stern talking to? , a few "kill your speed signs" - nah, I think a Camera has to be the only option - maybe someone should use all the revenue they generate and design a cheaper, more efficient camera system - to install, maintain, and operate.
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G-Rich
14-03-2003, 12:37 PM
AND DON'T Start me on the school run... :x :x :x :x :x
BAH. :flame:
As an example, the A3 into London is the busiest A route in England. Since they reduced the speed limit and installed cameras every mile, fatal accidents have fallen. :o
In a case like this, who can complain! :)
P.S. I HATE SPEED HUMPS! :x
lol @ Speed humps comments :D ...if it's any consolation I hate them too...partic. with my newly-installed lip spoiler! :o :D
...oh and the school run :roll:
Have to agree with G-Rich, keep kids off the roads - thing is, that would require alot more funding in play areas etc. Still, I'd support it... :)
Anyway - the prob is...to make the roads near schools and shopping parades/heavy residential areas safer, in this example, say we want to reduce the speed limit from 40mph to 30mph (or 20mph like in the school safety zones now)....to do this the limit needs to be self-enforcing for us to gain backing from the police (i.e. you suddenly change a 40mph to a 20mph, how many people are going to stick with it? :? not many...)
The Police already have alot to do, and requesting speed cameras/police presence on an already streched force isn't always possible. Hense the engineering methods...I have to say, I do look at everything before recommending feasibility studies for speed humps - there are other options, coloured/textured road markings, crossing points, pinch points, clever positioning of parking at the side of the road...and my favourite - chicanes! (well, someone has to check you can't go too fast through them ;-) ) Still, sometimes it has to be the inevitable... :baa: ;-)
P.S. You guys are really nice, if I'd have posted that on SN certain people would have flamed me by now :o ;-)
Turbo_Steve
14-03-2003, 02:03 PM
Nice is possibly a bit strong!
But certainly a little more reasoned in our approach.
You are clearly an authority on the subject. I respect anyones knowledge of a chosen subject. Why would anyone flame you for doing your job? Far better to hear a reasoned argument than pointless soapbox pontification and infantile flaming.
G-Rich
14-03-2003, 03:10 PM
I am in agreement with the 20mph zones - but lets face it, having a speed limit, AND enforcing it are two different things.
Personally after rethinking, I would go for chicanes or road narrowing schemes - only one car at a time - no ground clearance problems, yes, you can rag it round a chicane, but not everyone can/will do this. For me, it's not the sports car drivers, or even the boy racers that are the problem, but the run of the mill daily drivers, who are used to doing high speeds in the wrong places... in category I include:
Dappy Mothers/Fathers in MPVs
Business Men/Woman
White Vans
The Vauxhall Nova
Burratha
14-03-2003, 03:16 PM
But you also need to try and eradicate the urge for the "boy-racers" to use these chicanes for a time-trial course.
BoxerFlat4
14-03-2003, 05:58 PM
The comment about the A road, that showed a drop on fatal accidents when the speed limit was dropped, got me wondering.....
... since we're constantly told "Speed kills" (and not irresponsible/bad driving ), and since that road has showed a drop in fatal accidents, does that mean that non-fatal accidents have shown a rise ? Since speeding can't be the cause of all accidents (is there any evidence what percentage, though ?), I would expect that what would happen is simply that more people are surviving the same number of accidents.
I suppose anything can be proved with statistics, though..... ;)
Commander
14-03-2003, 06:49 PM
I suppose anything can be proved with statistics, though..... ;)
... and the government are masters at it! :|
Meridian
14-03-2003, 08:30 PM
There's a road in Cambridge (Green End Road for any locals) where the council put in something like fifteen humps to stop speeding after the residents complained about said speeding. About eight minutes after the work was completed the very same people started whinging and asking for them to be removed: drivers were accelerating away from one then braking hard for the next right along the road, and the increased noise was annoying the middle-class house-owners.
By far the most effective technique is using steel bollards to narrow the road, but you need a fallback plan for emergency vehicles.
And yes, the school run drivers are the worst drivers on the road. There's something of an irony in the fact that the standard reason given for using a car to collect the little ankle-biters is "the roads aren't safe!", when the main reason they aren't safe is all the people who can't drive picking the little b*gg*rs up. I do apheresis at Adenbrookes every other week, which brings me past three schools on my way out of Cambridge - and the number of tw*ts who pull out without looking etc is frightening.
M
Like the bit amout the humps going in and then being asked to be removed.
It's what I do. 1st gear, over hump and blam in 1st to 2nd and brake and 1st and blam, you get picture :twisted: :D:D Much acceleration, much wonderfull boxer exhaust noise and I get to show my disgust in the humps. I am a big kid at heart.
Yeah - 100mm (the highest you can legally go) cause a speed of 17mph over the humps but because drivers get so frustrated they are shown to accelerate up to 35mph between them (clever eh? :| )...most Councils now tend to use 75mm humps as these show a consistant speed of roughly 22mph :)
The most common people caught for speeding are residents...muppets.
Interesting aside here re: schools, we recently did a very unformal study, we watched the parents taking kids away from the schools and 82% of kids in the vehicles weren't strapped in (very technical method of looking through the windows ;) ) ...but 82%?!?!?!?! This was an everage of 5 schools in our borough. Makes sense when you think that over 50% of Child casualties in road accidents are acutally the ones in the cars.
Less of the :| :P It's an excuse for me to hear the exhaust.
One of my biggest bugbears is people who don't strap their kids in in the car. I see too many bouncing around on the back seat or pulling faces through the back window. :x
VinnyP!
15-03-2003, 12:30 AM
I think speed cameras used in the right areas are a very good thing. However can I ask why you think a speed camera needs to be installed if despite the speed liimt being flouted there are few accidents and no fatalities? Purely as devils advocate if this is really the case the speed limit would appear to be too low.http://www.emotipad.com/emoticons/Flame.gif
Oh another vote against speed humps they really do cause problems to emergency vehicles. :x
Sonic
15-03-2003, 01:12 AM
50 yards from my house is a blind bend, and a junction, and a horse riding school, 200 yards in the other direction is a mini roundabout with 2 other exits, one to the left, and straight over
50 yards straight over the roundabout there are about 1/2 mile of speed ramps, and traffic calming devices, as there is an infants school
Cars & Bikes, come around that bend (usually as fast as they can, to then proceed to do a Santa Pod style drag past my house, and to not stop at the mini roundabout
Its the same from the other direction, Santa Pod style drag running from the mini roundabout, usually ending in a very late braking to get round the blind bend
Its more of a nuisance than anything else, especially gone midnight, with the loud zorsts of the bikes & cars
a camera or at least dummy camera might slow them down a bit
But you also need to try and eradicate the urge for the "boy-racers" to use these chicanes for a time-trial course.
So true mate!
The only way we will ever have complete harmony between all parties is when we all have space ships and no one cares!
:borg: :duel: :vader: :storm: :greedo:
What is the solution? Restrict all vehicles? :|
Liverpool council are currently lowering speed bumps,and or replacing them because they are not to the required spec,at a massive expence to the tax payer.
What a waste of money,and I bet nobody gets carpeted for it :|
Sith - sorry mate! Didn't actually realise you'd posted that - I always press "back to forum" instead of "view post" - so I never check the thread again - bad habit! :roll: :D
Best place to listen to the exhust - tunnels! :twisted: :D 8) Third gear and windows down ...<sigh> ...and I was going to take the Corsa out today...oh well! :D
Vinny - I'd have to agree with you on that one...we're currently in the process of changing a 30mph zone which was decided on Councillor pressure to a 40mph - not a big deal? Well, we're having to do a study to do it! Silly really, but the police are backing us (as they refuse to enforce the stupid limit) so we're hoping it will come off...
Anonymous
17-03-2003, 01:05 PM
50 yards from my house is a blind bend, and a junction, and a horse riding school, 200 yards in the other direction is a mini roundabout with 2 other exits, one to the left, and straight over
50 yards straight over the roundabout there are about 1/2 mile of speed ramps, and traffic calming devices, as there is an infants school
Cars & Bikes, come around that bend (usually as fast as they can, to then proceed to do a Santa Pod style drag past my house, and to not stop at the mini roundabout
Its the same from the other direction, Santa Pod style drag running from the mini roundabout, usually ending in a very late braking to get round the blind bend
Its more of a nuisance than anything else, especially gone midnight, with the loud zorsts of the bikes & cars
a camera or at least dummy camera might slow them down a bit
So to quote you basically you want it there so as to keep the noise down.
Only proving my original post is spot on. :D
And I just think It's sad campaigning for a stealth tax cam just so you can live in a road without noise, bet the locals will love you if you get one.
** Corrected...buy a dictionary dude, you can beat those spelling and grammar gremlins...I believe in you! :P
Burratha
17-03-2003, 01:07 PM
He's also stated its because people use the road layout as a racetrack. :rolleyes:
Anonymous
17-03-2003, 01:09 PM
He's also stated its because people use the road layout as a racetrack. :rolleyes:
He said.
"Its more of a nuisance than anything else, especially gone midnight, with the loud zorsts of the bikes & cars"
SOUNDS LIKE IT THE NOISE HE WANTS STOPED TO ME.
Burratha
17-03-2003, 01:11 PM
we could argue this all day and night. He said both.
Anonymous
17-03-2003, 01:14 PM
we could argue this all day and night. He said both.
lOL :D
Sonic
17-03-2003, 08:35 PM
Most of my neighbours actually agree
tbh I couldnt car less if the gatso never went off, if it stopped people from racing
yes the argument could go on all day, I would personally just like the people to slow down a bit, it isnt Santa Pod outside my house, but certainly looks that way half the time :)
I did actually say in the bottom of my post that a camera, or a dummy camera, might slow them down a bit :)
Steve
Anonymous
17-03-2003, 09:22 PM
YOU SAY Most of my neighbours actually agree So A few of em dont ?
and most of em wont when they get a NIP
hope you got brick proof windows When they all colected a few nips.
Sonic
17-03-2003, 09:49 PM
Without getting drawn into any more debate about this, this will be my final post on the matter
If only you knew the road on which I live, a lot of the neighbours dont have cars, and every one of them who has a car, no matter which direction they come from can barely get to the speed limit before they have to stop for there house
I have the fastest, noisiest (by a long way) car in my neighbourhood, and every one has commented on how much they like it
Even the riding school 4 doors down, have passed comments re my car as they go past on horseback, ive even been offered some horses for my car :)
and again you seem to misread my post, twice now I have said or a dummy camera, AFAIK Dummy cameras will not issue NIP
Regards
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